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My conversation with Jerry Levin – he’d change a lot of things

Posted by Al Doan under Gaining Experience, Reactions to Mentors


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Today was a memorable day for me.  We had Jerry Levin, the former CEO of Time Warner, come and speak to the TechStars teams in New York today.  Now let’s just gloss over the fact that having him take time to come talk to a bunch of us goofy entrepreneurs is pretty cool on its own, what really left an impression on me was the fact that he spoke to us candidly.  My honest impression was that he sat up there as a broken man trying to help a younger generation.  Wait, what?

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He sat in front of us, the former CEO of the largest media company in the world, the product of endless hours dedicated to his craft, a lifetime of 4 hour sleep nights and missed birthdays to become the man he was, and he told all of us he took the wrong path.  Dead wrong.  He did it wrong and we should think about what we’re doing with our lives before its too late.  At least that’s how it came across to me.

The sentiment was that he led a life of absolute devotion to his career for almost 40 years, never sleeping a full night, and feeling like because he did that it made him a stronger businessman.  He told us of how his son had died, and his takeaway at the time was that nothing worse than that could ever happen to him, because it was a tough thing to deal with, and therefore he was an even stronger businessman now.  His marriage and his kids never saw him, but because he wasn’t tied down by “family” commitments, he felt that made him a stronger businessman.  The “I haven’t taken a vacation in 20 years, let alone a sick day” approach to 40 years of his life had left him now full of remorse.  So he sat in front of all of us, as a courtesy to our young futures, and looked back on the end of his career analyzed his legacy, and the conclusion he dre for us today was that he had made all the wrong choices.

It was tough for me to sit and listen to this because admittedly, I do not have the greatest balance in my life. I am guilty of taking pride in keeping ridiculous work hours, of working more than anyone else and sleeping less, of keeping myself mobile with very few roots, and if I were to look back on my legacy, I wonder if I’d say that I had done it wrong.  Had I missed the things that really mattered?  He made the comment “If you ever make people feel like they’re in second place, like the only thing that matters is what I’m doing, you are doing it wrong” ugh, I think we’re all guilty of this.  The old ‘give the illusion that what I’m doing is the most important so you’ll think I’m cool” bit, yeah, so that gets old.  But he talked about how that had hurt his marriage and his relationship with his kids, and it wasn’t until he was at the end of his life looking back that he even realized he was doing it.

He said that when he was climbing the ranks, he would meet people and immediately begin to assess if they had some value to Time Warner, if they did, he’d humor them and continue the conversation, if they didn’t he was immediately disinterested and would find a way out of the conversation ASAP.  That’s another one of the things he would have changed.  Pay attention to people, quit asking them what they do and instead find out if they’re happy, if they’re good, who they are, etc.  The sentiment being that it’s people that matter and don’t forget that.

He talked about addictions, and how an addiction is anything that gives us a high.  He pointed it directly at us when he asked why we are entrepreneurs?  Are we in it seeking the high?  Are we addicted to the startup life?  If we had a successful company could we handle just taking the paycheck and being happy or do we chase the high?  Are we addicted?  And any addiction is unhealthy, so find a way to moderate your intake, you will sustain yourself longer and have a life you are genuinely happy with, and won’t look back on yourself at the end of your career with regret.  Addicted to success, addicted to power, to work hours, to your office, to working more than everyone else, addicted to raises, whatever it may be … addiction is more than just drugs.  Take a serious look at yourself and make sure you’re working towards balance and not putting it off while you chase your fix.  This was one that stung a bit because I’ve often described what I do as “I help people start companies, either for investors or for friends, I help start them” and people will respond with something like “oh, doesn’t that get old?” then I puff out my chest a bit and beam as I say “no no, that’s the part I love, the long hours, the working like crazy, the confusion, the excitement, the rush of starting the company, that’s what I love”  Those conversations came to my mind continually while he talked about addiction and I had some tough questions to answer for myself here.

I guess, for me, this was so notable because it is just very rare to see someone who is successful in life, in the sense that he made a lot of money, had power like few ever will, and seemed to have everything that every kid right out of college dreams of, but to have him look back at all of his success and wish he’d spent more time at home and ‘accomplished’ less, I have to say I was a bit taken aback.  I mean, I know how the story goes, how you never get to the end of your life and wish you’d spent more time at work, but in the middle of it, the application is difficult to see as a 20 something entrepreneur.  So I guess it meant a bit more for me, to have Jerry Levin say after everything he’d done, experienced, earned and learned, well he’d give it all for more time with the family, better health, and more friends.

On behalf of myself, techstars, and any entrepreneur or business driven mind who reads this, thanks Jerry, I hear you loud and clear.

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Hard Knock MBA (Personal MBA)
Hard Knock MBA (Personal MBA)
  • Great post Al. Important points to remember for startups especially.

  • Jake Davies

    Thanks for sharing. Great takeaways.

  • Anonymous

    Great post Al and I’m glad you “hear Jerry loud and clear”, but I was just wondering if you’ve taken any first steps yet???

  • Anonymous

    Actually yeah, I have. The keys for me to establishing balance have been finding other things to do so I have reasons to come home from the office, then sticking to them. Things like ordering a few new books online and setting my goal to read x number of pages a day, also I’ve started back in with an alarm in the mornings, so I still start my work day the same time (I go about 10-8 then leave and play, then come back to it about midnight, and that works for me right now) then if I wake up somewhere in 6-8am I get 2-4 hours of extra study / creative time for myself. Sticking to a schedule like this gets me sleeping easier and staying more excited about life.

    My last change I’ve been able to take, which may sound cheesy, is finding time to sit and relax / meditate type of thing. I just try and get 10-20 mins in a day of sitting in a park, finding an open church and sitting there, just trying to observe what’s going on around me instead of always walking to a destination. I don’t know what this helps necessarily, but I feel like a better person because I do it.

    On the horizon is picking up a musical instrument skill (I’ve always wanted to play the cello), I’m shopping now if you know of any 😛

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  • That is so true Doan. As an author and business man, I can relate to how you said “Take a serious look at yourself and make sure you’re working towards balance and not putting it off while you chase your fix”. I hope more people discover your blog because you really know what you’re talking about. Can’t wait to read more from you!

  • Greg

    Great post, I can relate to the excitement of helping start ups go from zero to making money and also realise how the time away from family and friends can impact the reasons why I am in business in the firs place .

  • Jay

    I agree. I so totally agree. Thank you for this. Thank you for sharing.

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